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"Advancement" and "Progress"[edit]

The words advancement and progress are very prominent in the first few paragraphs. These imply directionality. Use of these words and directionality is opposed by many anthropologists. I will change these to better convey what "characteristics" informally are called civilization. Please explain any disagreements if it is deemed necessary to undo my changes.

Feudalism is a civilization[edit]

According to historians: "Feudal civilization" See the books results:

Weird definition[edit]

Social stratification = condition for civilisation? That sounds risible.

-- (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Who is referring to Athens as the birthplace of democracy?[edit]

An image caption has this claim:

Athens is widely referred to as the cradle of Western civilization and the birthplace of democracy

However, I didn't see anything in the source cited about Athens being widely referred to as the birthplace of democracy, and recent archeological work has disputed this reputation, like doi:10.1017/aaq.2022.31. Freoh (talk) 01:14, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No it hasn't. Even if the conclusions of this paper become widely accepted, this is still 1,000 years after Athens. Johnbod (talk) 01:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The point is that it doesn't make sense to describe Athens definitively as the "birthplace" of democracy when democratic processes clearly developed independently around the world and there's a lot of the history we don't know. The statement that Athens is widely referred to as the birthplace of democracy is not backed up by a source. Freoh (talk) 09:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See the other place you've started this hare - Talk:Democracy. Johnbod (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]